Muckers Worldwide

MUCKERS SUNDAY HILL CLIMB! 21/01/24

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Route Used: Grobglockner – Fusch to Edelweissspitze | Austria | 13.42 miles | 5544ft climbing.

103 Registered | 71 Starters | 63 Starters | 8 DNF | 32 DNS.

Sunday Morning Hill climb time!! Not much chat in the WhatsApp or Discord beforehand which just goes to show the way these rides make you feel compared to a Weekday race night! 😉😉We all quietly knew it was a challenge and lets just get this done! 71 like minded riders set off at 8:30am (GMT) with only 8 riders in total bailing this tough climb which compared to other long climbs, is quite a low number. People just really want to get this GCN challenge completed! 71 starters means top 20 mentions so lets go through and see how many are friends and compare some data for todays top riders:

Please remember these are just to compare and contrast. Hopefully if anyone see’s that their own figures look a bit off, they will take action. We feel that if you are hitting the top spots on a bike that’s not a smart bike/trainer, your numbers will always look a little off. Its just the way it is. A spin bike will never replicate the real feel of being on the road, which is kinda’ the point of being on here and Racing against other isn’t it?

Our hope is that for those guys who we still allow to join us on those non-smart/spin bikes get a taste for racing and will eventually take it more seroiusly and want to ride on something that the rest of the riders are using. However, we really don’t need those riders to jump in the comments and defend/defend/defend, there’s no need. we all see the figures and some guys are so much more into it than us, it just ends up in pointless arguments, i.e We know smart trainer riders can also blurr the lines with self identifying as a 55kg rider while really being 90+kg, but that’s their choice to actually go onto the profile section to change this and is a blatant lie. Those riders can’t be helped and we actually can’t do anything about this, But maybe pointing out how your figures are totally different to someone who finished a few seconds away from you, might make you have a think and if we can educate at least one rider, then we are happy.

We all produce different Powers and are all at different weights and ride in different styles, but a good one to look at is “IF”. ROUVYS training diary explain this as:  IF is the ratio of the normalized power to your threshold power. Threshold power is your max power you can do for an hour and you either let ROUVY calculate this for you, or you’ve done an FTP test and inputted it yourself. So if you do an hour race, and you have an IF score of 1, you’ve managed to be at your FTP for the hour which is great. once you ride for over an hour, you’d expect it to decrease slightly, so staying around 1 shows you really put it in. just below 1, in the 0.9s is still a great effort as well. A big IF on a race over an hour means you need to have a re think of your FTP you have on ROUVY. If your FTP is correct, then this shows your equipment is throwing out way too high watt readings which in turn has you going faster than you really should be going. Little note on power: If your power number is alot lower than those around you, you must be lighter than those around you. Make sure your weight is correct.

Again, we are not experts in this and we really want everyone to join us to race or at least use the large rider numbers to help motivate you to get a challenge route done, but, wouldn’t you rather be as true to what you’d actually do out there in the real world rather than just smashing up a hill, with hardly any effort and fooling yourself into thinking you really are that strong? We hope you’d want to be as true to real life as possible

Top 2 and quite a few others in the top 20 are NEDs today.

So todays Muckers top 20 mentions go to:

1st: “Revolution” 1:15:20, averages: 396 watts, 147 bpms, 67rpms, 10.7mph, 1.39IF, equipment: IC Bike.

2nd: “Simon_Hahnnenbruch”, 1:18:30, averages: 330 watts, 153bpms, 80rpm, 10.2mph, 0.904IF, Tacx Neo

3rd: “m-forby”, 1:21:40, averages: 283 watts, 163bpms, 65rpm, 9.8mph, 1.076IF, Kickr Core.

4th: “RogerDevittori”, 1:22:26, averages: 289 watts, 150bpms, 87rpms, 9.8mph, 0.853IF, Tacx Smart Bike.

5th: “Sefan_Schmidt”, 1:22:54, averages: 278 watts, 150bpms, 70rpms, 9.6mph, 0.952IF, Kickr Core

6th: “BareRemi”, 1:25:14, averages: 280 watts, 184bpms, 83rpms, 9.4mph, 0.876IF, Wahoo Kickr AF29

7th: “Minyana_GURE”, 1:27:53, averages: 255 watts, 162bpms, 90rpms, 9.1mph, 1.037IF, Kickr Bike

8th: “RocketRoy”, 1:30:38, averages: 250 watts, 152bpms, 85rpms, 8.9mph, 0.873IF, Directo XR

9th: “CerveloKevin” 1:30:38, averages: 252 watts, 148bpms, 85rpms, 8.9mph, 0.783IF, WattBike Atom

10th: “EddyDomino” 1:32:23, averages: 252 watts, 146bpms, 74rpms, 8.7mph, 0.980IF, Tacx Smart Bike

11th: “CameronLees”, 1:35:24, averages: 219 watts, 172bpms, 79rpms, 8.5mph, 0.910IF, Wahoo Kickr

12th: “VicL”, 1:35:36, averages: 248 watts, 167bpms, 69rpms, 8.5mph, 0.962IF, equipment: NOZA-S.

Some interesting Stats! Well done to you all and I hope you find the above information interesting. Also, well done to all who finished this tough climb. Massive respect due.

Please remember to pop a comment on how the climb went for yourselves. Please try and keep to this and not just use it to hammer another rider. We are Muckers and we try to educate and Encourage while we use this indoor training app to get ready for real world riding.

Can you please leave your ROUVY name somewhere in the comments if you do leave a comment? Also We’ve seen a few of you leave your stats at the end of your comments, We really like this so please keep doing it as it allows those you’ve raced against to see what you were doing as well.

See you Tuesday!

FULL RESULTS TABLE:

#Cat.UserAgeTeamtimeGAPmph
1Men FR Procat30-39Team veloshop1:13:40.910.93
2Men BE Rubberburn.Marc50-591:13:47.10:00:06.210.91
3Men GB Revolution50-591:15:20.20:01:39.310.69
4Men BE David-Vdb40-491:16:14.80:02:33.210.56
5Men ES Juan6550-591:17:52.60:04:11.710.34
6Men DE Simon_Hahnenbruch40-49Cycling Team Rhein-Main1:18:30.10:04:49.310.26
7Men DK m-forby40-491:21:40.60:07:59.79.86
8Men CH RogerDevittori50-59VC Mendrisio1:22:26.30:08:45.49.77
9Men DE Stefan_Schmidt40-491:22:54.90:09:14.09.71
10Men NO BareRemi30-39Narvik1:25:14.70:11:33.89.45
11Men HR Bruno_Kos30-39BK Maraton Beciklin1:25:48.40:12:07.59.38
12Men DE Dok_PS50-591:27:10.50:13:29.69.24
13Men ES Minyana_GURE60+GURE1:27:53.70:14:12.89.16
14Men SK Majo7740-491:28:31.60:14:50.79.1
15Men GB RocketRoy50-59Moon Riders1:30:38.50:16:57.78.88
16Men GB CerveloKevin50-59Moon Riders1:30:38.70:16:57.98.88
17Men FR EddyDomino50-59LPDA Pro Team – Organicoach.fr1:32:23.20:18:42.38.72
18Men PL KWIATEK_PL30-391:33:31.20:19:50.38.61
19Men GB CameronLees60+Muckers Worldwide1:35:24.70:21:43.88.44
20Men AU VicL60+1:35:36.30:21:55.48.42
21Men DK nielsbrynnum50-59Muckers Worldwide1:36:12.80:22:31.98.37
22Men IT mmalvestiti40-491:36:22.20:22:41.38.36
23Men DK hj201050-591:37:14.50:23:33.68.28
24Men BE SM7350-591:37:18.50:23:37.68.28
25Men CZ krugr40-49Valašský Bajker1:37:27.60:23:46.78.26
26Men IT PietroZanoni40-49Equilibrio Urbano1:37:37.90:23:56.18.25
27Men CZ Grep.40-491:37:53.90:24:13.38.23
28Men NL knilor40-49Bikkertje1:38:03.70:24:22.88.21
29Women DE HeikeHardt60+1:38:15.30:24:34.48.2
30Men IT aldoago50-591:38:16.70:24:35.28.19
31Men NL merijn40-491:38:39.60:24:58.78.16
32Men ES chorus40-49Muckers Worldwide1:40:02.50:26:21.68.05
33Men DE nocccon50-591:41:08.60:27:27.77.96
34Men NL JochemS30-391:41:48.40:28:07.57.91
35Men DE uffzynda50-59Muckers Worldwide1:42:11.20:28:30.37.88
36Men BE teamojo40-491:42:11.30:28:30.47.88
37Men DE martialb50-591:43:00.70:29:19.87.82
38Men ZA Southafro50-59Muckers Worldwide1:43:11.90:29:31.57.8
39Men BE nvdb50-591:44:11.40:30:30.67.73
40Men GB Hughjarse50-59Aged Velo1:44:13.10:30:33.97.73
41Men CH SwissChris6950-59Muckers Worldwide1:45:04.40:31:23.57.66
42Men DK Grochang40-49Muckers Worldwide/Barecykling1:48:30.70:34:49.97.42
43Men FR PhilipG50-591:48:55.40:35:14.57.39
44Men FR Widy50-591:49:10.40:35:29.57.38
45Men AT Slyfly50-59Muckers Worldwide1:49:30.20:35:49.37.35
46Men DK kjohannessen40-491:49:31.80:35:50.97.35
47Men AU andy_emmo40-491:51:51.70:38:10.87.2
48Men AT BMC160+1:52:09.50:38:28.77.18
49Men CZ ice-pavel40-49teamgoofy.com1:53:32.40:39:51.57.09
50Men GB kylofski40-49Muckers Worldwide1:59:57.50:46:16.66.71
51Men FR alain085760+USMC les Clayes sous Bois2:00:07.70:46:26.86.7
52Women PL sunniva40-492:00:18.40:46:37.56.69
53Women NL SillySilNL50-59Muckers Worldwide & de Gastjes2:00:40.30:46:59.46.67
54Men SK kisliko_0740-492:00:56.70:47:15.86.66
55Men BE Andy_UP40-49Muckers Worldwide2:01:45.10:48:05.76.61
56Men TW SHLyu50-59Scanner2:01:46.70:48:05.86.61
57Men FR croux2440-492:03:45.10:50:04.26.51
58Men DE skripnit50-592:05:31.40:51:50.56.42
59Men NL wlindeboom60+2:07:03.40:53:22.56.34
60Men DE Mick_Michel40-49Muckers Worldwide2:09:27.30:55:46.46.22
61Men BE Roeboe30-392:16:03.41:02:22.25.92
62Men GB Mucker197440-49Muckers Worldwide2:32:52.11:19:11.35.27
63Men GB Rgoman50-592:34:37.21:20:56.35.21
dnfMen US SpicyMacCurry50-59Monte Rosa Cycling Teamdnf–
dnfMen KR teanam40-49dnf–
dnfMen GB SpotTheZebra50-59Clifton Cycling Clubdnf–
dnfMen IT cipollino50-59dnf–
dnfMen KR jbh110150-59dnf–
dnfMen SI Matjaz8240-49dnf–
dnfMen ES unaiibar40-49dnf–
dnfMen US peter2030-39dnf–

WOMENS RESULT TABLE:

#UserAgeTeamtimeGAPMPH
1 DE HeikeHardt60+1:38:15.30:24:34.48.2
2 PL sunniva40-492:00:18.40:46:37.56.69
3 NL SillySilNL50-59Muckers Worldwide & de Gastjes2:00:40.30:46:59.46.67

30-39 AGE GROUP RESULTS:

#Cat.UserTeamtimeGAPMPH
1Men FR ProcatTeam veloshop1:13:40.910.93
2Men NO BareRemiNarvik1:25:14.70:11:33.89.45
3Men HR Bruno_KosBK Maraton Beciklin1:25:48.40:12:07.59.38
4Men PL KWIATEK_PL1:33:31.20:19:50.38.61
5Men NL JochemS1:41:48.40:28:07.57.91
6Men BE Roeboe2:16:03.41:02:22.25.92

40-49 AGE GROUP RESULTS:

#Cat.UserTeamtimeGAPMPH
1Men BE David-Vdb1:16:14.80:02:33.210.56
2Men DE Simon_HahnenbruchCycling Team Rhein-Main1:18:30.10:04:49.310.26
3Men DK m-forby1:21:40.60:07:59.79.86
4Men DE Stefan_Schmidt1:22:54.90:09:14.09.71
5Men SK Majo771:28:31.60:14:50.79.1
6Men IT mmalvestiti1:36:22.20:22:41.38.36
7Men CZ krugrValašský Bajker1:37:27.60:23:46.78.26
8Men IT PietroZanoniEquilibrio Urbano1:37:37.90:23:56.108.25
9Men CZ Grep.1:37:53.90:24:13.38.23
10Men NL knilorBikkertje1:38:03.70:24:22.88.21
11Men NL merijn1:38:39.60:24:58.78.16
12Men ES chorusMuckers Worldwide1:40:02.50:26:21.68.05
13Men BE teamojo1:42:11.30:28:30.47.88
14Men DK GrochangMuckers Worldwide/Barecykling1:48:30.70:34:49.97.42
15Men DK kjohannessen1:49:31.80:35:50.97.35
16Men AU andy_emmo1:51:51.70:38:10.87.2
17Men CZ ice-pavelteamgoofy.com1:53:32.40:39:51.57.09
18Men GB kylofskiMuckers Worldwide1:59:57.50:46:16.66.71
19Women PL sunniva2:00:18.40:46:37.56.69
20Men SK kisliko_072:00:56.70:47:15.86.66
21Men BE Andy_UPMuckers Worldwide2:01:45.100:48:05.76.61
22Men FR croux242:03:45.10:50:04.26.51
23Men DE Mick_MichelMuckers Worldwide2:09:27.30:55:46.46.22
24Men GB Mucker1974Muckers Worldwide2:32:52.11:19:11.35.27

50-59 AGE GROUP RESULT:

#Cat.UserTeamtimeGAPMPH
1Men BE Rubberburn.Marc1:13:47.10:00:06.210.91
2Men GB Revolution1:15:20.20:01:39.310.69
3Men ES Juan651:17:52.60:04:11.710.34
4Men CH RogerDevittoriVC Mendrisio1:22:26.30:08:45.49.77
5Men DE Dok_PS1:27:10.50:13:29.69.24
6Men GB RocketRoyMoon Riders1:30:38.50:16:57.78.88
7Men GB CerveloKevinMoon Riders1:30:38.70:16:57.98.88
8Men FR EddyDominoLPDA Pro Team – Organicoach.fr1:32:23.20:18:42.38.72
9Men DK nielsbrynnumMuckers Worldwide1:36:12.80:22:31.98.37
10Men DK hj20101:37:14.50:23:33.68.28
11Men BE SM731:37:18.50:23:37.68.28
12Men IT aldoago1:38:16.70:24:35.28.19
13Men DE nocccon1:41:08.60:27:27.77.96
14Men DE uffzyndaMuckers Worldwide1:42:11.20:28:30.37.88
15Men DE martialb1:43:00.70:29:19.87.82
16Men ZA SouthafroMuckers Worldwide1:43:11.90:29:31.57.8
17Men BE nvdb1:44:11.40:30:30.67.73
18Men GB HughjarseAged Velo1:44:13.100:30:33.97.73
19Men CH SwissChris69Muckers Worldwide1:45:04.40:31:23.57.66
20Men FR PhilipG1:48:55.40:35:14.57.39
21Men FR Widy1:49:10.40:35:29.57.38
22Men AT SlyflyMuckers Worldwide1:49:30.20:35:49.37.35
23Women NL SillySilNLMuckers Worldwide & de Gastjes2:00:40.30:46:59.46.67
24Men TW SHLyuScanner2:01:46.70:48:05.86.61
25Men DE skripnit2:05:31.40:51:50.56.42
26Men GB Rgoman2:34:37.21:20:56.35.21

60+ AGE GROUP RESULTS:

#Cat.UserTeamtimeGAPMPH
1Men ES Minyana_GUREGURE1:27:53.70:14:12.89.16
2Men GB CameronLeesMuckers Worldwide1:35:24.70:21:43.88.44
3Men AU VicL1:35:36.30:21:55.48.42
4Women DE HeikeHardt1:38:15.30:24:34.48.2
5Men AT BMC11:52:09.50:38:28.77.18
6Men FR alain0857USMC les Clayes sous Bois2:00:07.70:46:26.86.7
7Men NL wlindeboom2:07:03.40:53:22.56.34

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Neil Rushby

co-founder of muckersworldwide.com and race organizer! Been into cycling since a kid and spent most of the time on BMX and mountain bikes. Took me longer than most to get the road cycling bug but I was bitten around 5 years ago when I finally got a fully fledged road bike that fitted and I let the flat handled road bike go...

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29 Responses

  1. Neil Rushby says:
    21 January 2024 at 4:55 pm

    Thanks to Rgoman who kept me going today. I was not up for this at all, had a half decent start but soon had to back off and go at an easier pace. Just not with it at all. But Rgoman came past me, put me last on the road and just re ignited my interest. kept a close eye on him and then went for it on the cobbles at the very top and hoped he couldnt come with me! it worked and somehow finished in front of him.

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    • Rob Goman says:
      21 January 2024 at 7:41 pm

      Today for me was all about completing the race. Next time I will be doing my best to not let you pass 😂

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    • Hardy says:
      26 January 2024 at 6:51 pm

      Nice Name Grobglockner – Fusch to Edelweissspitze Grobglockner=Grossglockner, But Grobglockner is a realy nice Word Grob is the same as Rough.:D
      Best regards Hardy

      Reply
  2. Mike says:
    21 January 2024 at 5:33 pm

    Interesting read on FTP watts etc. still learning all of this.

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  3. Andreas (Slyfly) says:
    21 January 2024 at 5:59 pm

    Today was a “home game” for me 😀 because I’m from Austria 🇦🇹. In reality, I’ve never ridden the mountain before 🫣, but only twice “indoor”.
    I found the Großglockner less strenuous than the Passo Stelvio last week.
    Nevertheless, I’m happy to have survived the race🥵
    I was alone almost the entire route and didn’t find a group or teammates, so I was able to drive at my own pace.
    Thanks Neil for the interesting information in the introduction and for planning the race.

    As far as the FTP is concerned, I may have set it too low, but in a race I always give 120%, at least more than I could do on my own in a test. Also when it comes to my heart rate…
    But I will do another test soon.
    Thanks to everyone who took part in the race.
    Greets Andreas (Slyfly)

    averages: 216 watts, 158bpms, 53rpms, 11.88 km/h, 1.05IF,
    Equipment: Kickr bike.
    71kg 58 years

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    • luca_ma says:
      21 January 2024 at 7:01 pm

      Hi Andreas,
      do not worry about the test vs race difference. It is quite common that some people do better in races. But the better counts, so if you do 216W for a more then an hour, your FTP is at least 216 W. You can adjust it and it will push you a bit in a training.
      (Sorry for a unsolicited advice, but I do see it often that people are a bit confused of FTP and tests…)
      Btw Congrats to all and I am sorry I missed another Sunday ride as those climbs are really special.

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      • Andreas (Slyfly) says:
        21 January 2024 at 7:36 pm

        Hi Luca🙋‍♂️
        Thanks for the advice 🙏🏻😀
        Yes, you’re right, it’s not that easy to determine an exact FTP. Especially during workouts, it shouldn’t be too low.
        Hope you’ll be there again at the next race!
        Greetings Andreas

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    • HalAir says:
      21 January 2024 at 7:43 pm

      Andreas – FTP is also a _range_, it is not a single specific number 🙂
      An “incorrec” FTP will not skew race performance though, because that is Watts and Weight only (ignoring bike differences and pacing strategies etc). So if the trainer is good and entered weight is within range, data is good 👍

      Reply
  4. Minyana says:
    21 January 2024 at 6:28 pm

    I have suffered and I have had fun… let’s see if I dare and fight you again

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    • CerveloKevin says:
      21 January 2024 at 9:41 pm

      Great explanation of FTP (Functional Threshold Power) and IF (Intensity Factor) to educate those who don’t go into the detail. Also to note are absolute power outputs and watts/kg. Here’s a very good article on the subject: https://www.cyclinganalytics.com/blog/2018/06/how-does-your-cycling-power-output-compare
      Note carefully the final chart of w/kg for 5s, 1 minute, 5 mins and FT (60 mins) against the standard of rider. Your potential w/kg will diminish with age and your absolute / maximal power vs time is related to your physiology. Please do think whether you really are at a domestic pro level etc at e.g. 60 years old.

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      • Nagy Róbert says:
        22 January 2024 at 9:31 am

        😀 😀 😀
        …no comment. I’m a beliver, everithing can happen, maybe Eddy Mercx is amongst us. He is around 78, I guess.

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      • Dominique "EddyDomino" RODRIGUEZ says:
        23 January 2024 at 8:28 am

        Don’t forget that, if you are a subscriber, you can get your power curve on Strava for each activity compared with the last 6 weeks/current year/last year/defined period, plus an estimation of your ftpon the dedicated power curve page.
        You can also get this information on connect.garmin.com for Garmin user, and also in my.rouvy.com for each activity but only peak power for 5s 5mn 20mn 30mn 60mn not the chart.

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  5. Mads Grosen says:
    21 January 2024 at 6:58 pm

    A lot of talk the last few weeks about overtraining and people mentioning tiredness in mind and body.
    I would like to point out that, at the end of the day, we are all different in mindset, strength and goals setting and therefore the output comes with different results. So having said that your mind can often trick you to push yourself hard than anticipated, mainly because we all get carried away and affected by other strong riders. The issue is, for how long can you push yourself over the limit and neglect the part of losing power. As you might have noticed I self have been carried away by trying to stay upfront in most races, but the price for me comes with a fatigue and a less pleasant feeling in mind and body.
    Now, I’m going to do Hamburg Ironman this summer, and will intend to use Muckers three races as my built up for the 2th of June IM race. I will do hr zone 4 Tuesday on my TT bike, which I have found very useful for loading up to all Thursday Races. On Thursday it will be a fulGaz on my race bike and then loading up, mostly on TT bike, with 200 to 230 watts avg on Sundays endurance ride.
    I have never tried training that way before and I’m excited to see the outcome on the day at Hamburg. I’m use to train much more endurance but if 3 Mucker events can do the work, it will be a game changer for less hours on the bike and more time with my dear family.
    I’ll keep you all informed after the event🏊‍♂️🚴🏼‍♂️🏃‍♂️🤙 Thanks everyone for participating in all the Muckers race, it makes my training much more easier and fun🙏, although I have swallowed some camels not following other riders passing me😉

    Rouvy name: Grochang
    TSS: 121 IF: 0.817 POWER AVG: 236. WEIGHT: 76 AGE: 48

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  6. Rob Goman says:
    21 January 2024 at 7:37 pm

    First time riding in with this group and my first ‘race’ I. ROUVY. Been using Zwift prior to ROUVY but transferred over to ROUVY a few weeks ago and much prefer the platform. Only been cycling for a couple of years but got the bug and now a proud owner of two road bikes, a gravel bike and a MTB. Realised today by coming last 😂 that I have a lot of improving to do but at least I finished ✔️. I was wondering if all you other riders have the realism level of ROUVY set to 100% or do you lower or higher this? Obviously lowering this would make a ride like today’s easier. Personally I have mine set to 100% as if I’m on a 14% incline I want it to feel like 14%. I do know on Zwift that the default was 50% and many people lowered this to
    Improve finishing positions. Also does altering the realism even affect group races? Anyway I am very much looking forward to joining another Muckers ride but away for a week getting some winter sun ☀️

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    • Steven Ludford says:
      21 January 2024 at 8:58 pm

      Hi Rob, welcome to Muckers racing, keep coming back, position is not so important as long as get a good workout and the next rider up the road makes you try harder. To confirm, on Rouvy, realism level has to be 100% to join a race and I agree with you entirely, if a 14% hill doesn’t feel like 14% then there’s no point racing it. See you on another race soon.

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    • Andy_UP says:
      22 January 2024 at 9:02 am

      Hi Rob! Welcome to the Muckers races. I always respect the ones in the back who suffer like 2 to 3 times longer than the guys in the front. In a race you can’t adjust the reality level. When I do just ride, it’s usually to complete a challenge route, and it also has to be set at 100% Never lowered this but I can imagine, if you really like a route, like Stelvio, and you like to enjoy the view but the hill is too hard or you don’t want to invest hours of time, you can just lower the reality and still do a nice workout.
      Go hard in races but also take time to do some heart rate zone 4 training, this really makes you better. You will be beating Neil in no time 😀

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      • Rob Goman says:
        22 January 2024 at 4:00 pm

        Beating Neil or anyone is my next goal! Hoping to join the Tuesday evening race although I am normally a morning rider, one of the benefits of working from home 😉

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  7. Rocket Roy says:
    21 January 2024 at 8:00 pm

    Nice write-up Neil and good explanation for those who may not know. Coach CerveloKevin decided that today was a Zone 2 effort for the Moon riders team. Unfortunately he meant Zone 3 but typed Zone 2 and his Zone 3 is my Zone 4. We set off slowly and found ourselves in lowly positions after my Rocket ™ start subsided. Soon found ourselves passing rider after rider and made our way well into the top 20 to get a mention. I sat up on the carpark before the finish to give coach Kev his rightful place but he had the same idea and by the finish I had freewheeled past him to nab 15th unintentionally. I must say I enjoyed today’s ride at a reduced pace. There were some solid rides throughout the field. Remember folks. it’s not all about racing and training. If you don’t give yourself enough time to absorb the adaptations that training triggers along with proper nutrition and rest you will not improve.

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  8. HalAir says:
    21 January 2024 at 8:02 pm

    Had to sit today´s ride out – or more specifically “cheat” race start by starting early, as in 45min prior to race start 🤐. My youngest (10) son had a basketball tournament today and first game was at 11am local time, giving me 1h to complete the ride, which is only something I could dream about ha! 🤫

    But I had the last GCN Challenge route left to do, and in “solidarity” for this community I went for it solo 45min before GO-time. This would provide enough time to complete it, and allow enough time for my drive over to the basketball courts and time with my son 😇

    Rode fasted today, and brought only unsugared water, had plenty to eat yesterday and not hungry this morning, so water/coffee/kit on and get the crank spinning. There were others on the route already, which provided me with someone to chase while ascending, but I had decided to not go all-out today and rather target sweet spot / training volume. So did quite a paced ride and crossed the finish line just under 1h44min, squeezing myself into 39th place if in the race.

    Averages:
    283W / IF 0.87 / HR(max) 75% / 49yrs / 88kg (Tacx Flux S with 50-34 & 11-28)

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  9. Kyle Goodram says:
    21 January 2024 at 9:48 pm

    After quitting last Sunday’s hill climb, I wasn’t feeling very positive about today. Even though I decided to skip the Thursday championship race to get some recovery time in, off we went. I caught up to Mucker1974 and slowly passed him, but then I caught up to SillySiNL, who was putting out nearly the same power as me (3.0 w/kg). I pushed a little harder to 3.1, and that did the trick. I stuck to that all the way up, and I felt okay. I could see that SillySiNL and Andy_UP hadn’t given up hope of catching me, but I managed to keep them at bay. Well done to everyone who completed the GCN challenge.

    See you all on Tuesday.

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  10. Sunniva says:
    22 January 2024 at 8:07 am

    Hello, it was a tough race for me (0,95 IF) not as difficult as the first Grossglockner from Dollach but still requiring endurance.
    At the beginning I was racing close to SillySiNL, which I passed. However, she had an impressive finish and I had to hurry up the hill. Thanks to this, I have PR on the Edelweissspitze Climb Fulgaz segment 🙂
    I was racing nearby Skripnit, Grochang and Kyle Goodram for a long time. I chased Kyle up the hill and almost made it to 2 hours. It was 18 seconds away.
    Nice ride in good company. Thank you very much.

    TSS: 182 IF: 0953 AVG Power: 178 (Z4 01:05:06) AVG HR: 160 (Z6 01:35:45)
    AGE: 47 Weight: 64 Trainer: Direto XR-T

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  11. Andy_UP says:
    22 January 2024 at 10:33 am

    As usual, I don’t look forward to the sunday morning hill climb “races”. I don’t perform on sunday morning, and on a hill climb, so the combination makes me go into “let’s just get it done”-mode.
    To keep me motivated I like to ride with a Fellow Mucker of someone I know, that has a pace in my heart rate zone 4. Started of with boss man Mucker, but he dropped power after a while. Alain recently added me as friend on Rouvy, I think because on these sunday “races” we somehow end up in eachothers neighbourhood. This sunday also so we did the first 1/3rd together. We closed the gap to Silvia and got passed by I believe it was Croux. Alain wanted to pick up the pace and follewed, I stayed in zone 4 with Silvia. We did the rest of the climb together. Near the end Silvia wanted to go get Sunniva. Sunniva ends almost always just out of my reach on these hill climbs, stilll, I wanted to give it a go. Silvia upped the pace to 4’s and even 5’s. I followed a while but I couldn’t hold this pace so I had to slow down. Silvia brought the gap to Sunniva down from 300m to under 100m but she ran out of hill, and Sunniva reacted clearly with also upping the power.
    All in all a nice Sunday training with some fun and a good training, all while checking of another challenge.

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  12. Niels Brynnum says:
    22 January 2024 at 10:42 am

    Fusch to Edelweissspitze, – Edelweiss sounds almost joyful but spitze 🤔I had the idea from the morning to do an easy spin and get to the spitze without to much effort. 😅 But from the start it seemed as my legs and brain were in a disagreement as my brain kept saying easy…easy but I was in the front group pushing hard. Luckily the legs got persuaded shortly into the race and I had an easy ride with some intervals with high cadance. Towards the end of the climb, I saw super strong 💪💪💪 hj2010 (Henrik) on the leaderboard and I decided to wait for him. He gave me a super leadout 🚀🚀 going into my last interval towards the spitze. Thanks to all the participants and a massive thanks to Neil and Kyle for organising the races.
    TSS: 144 IF: 0,948 Avg Power: 255 AVG HR:147 Age: 52 Weight: 74 kg Trainer: Wahoo Kickr V6

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  13. Michael Michelius says:
    22 January 2024 at 11:04 am

    Sunday morning races are usually more a kind of: have of good training session and get it done. So I got into a good rhythm and was not chasing for any position. It ends up in a looong solo effort. But anyhow it was nice. Weather was fine in Austria, fantastic scenery and the good feeling to have done a nice work out afterwards.
    Neil, nice report. Good to explain some of this “IF”, “FTP” stuff. Although some (or most?) of us are aware of it. I’m sure there are couple of mates that just wanna jump on their bike and have some training and fun with online races and don’t care about these things. So, could be interesting to know for them.
    See you on tuesday!!

    avg power 237W | IF 88% | Watt/kg 2,4 | avg HR 151bpm | calories 11 beers
    Age: 49 | weight: way too much 😉

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  14. Chris says:
    22 January 2024 at 1:22 pm

    Started strongly and dropped off significantly – that’s about my summary for my performance tonight.

    I suffered from sore muscles from the hotel tradmill training on Thursday…it seems that you are addressing different muscle regions when jogging or road biking, very surprising. In addition, my equipment in my suitcase from this week’s trip to malta was lost by Lufthansa until now. So I had to use different (MTB) pedals and shoes and a spare chest strap to record my heart rate. My Garmin Edge is also still somewhere in the air or on the island, but it is thank god not needed by Rouvy and my Indoor trainer (Garmin Tacx Smart Trainer).

    So after all these excuses, I had the goal to finish in the top20 tonight, a really tough one. Looked good in the first half and I reached P 17-19. But after a while, others who had managed their power better than me, passed me again and I almost lost 20 places! “SwissChris69” was still behind, but noccon passed me in the last 15 min and increased the gap towards me more and more. I could not catch up, these climbs on this challenge are really horrible. Shortly before noccon flew by, “JochemS” overtook me as well, but it seemed that he got exhausted towards the mountain top and I hoped to reach him, but I couldn’t, he ended one place in front of me, “noccon” 2 places. The most interesting part for me was the last kilometer to the finish!!! “teamojo” whom I passed during the race, managed to come back strong and overtook me again, but I finally caught up and passed him again, leaving him only a few meters befind until the finish. To be precise, this was probably one of the closest finals in Muckers’ Race history: 1:42:11 and 1:42:12 between us both (P35 and 36). Awesome result!
    Have a good, relaxing day!
    Ciao
    Chris (alias “uffzynda”)

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  15. hardx says:
    22 January 2024 at 7:23 pm

    Rouvy and the cheating.

    First of all, it would be good to only allow riders to take part in the championships where they know the equipment or have a Rouvy or Strava profile.
    Or guarantors.

    Just for inspiration.

    I recently read an article about the reality level Ruby VS Swift. It was claimed that Swift always had a reality level of 0.5. I didn’t like this hype game with Swift anyway. You should be integrated into a racing bike team immediately. In 10 minutes a team will start waiting for you with your performance data and these cartoon men… really bad.

    So about Rouvy and the manipulations, yesterday someone wrote something about it, but I say it’s exactly the other way around. If you manipulate your weight downwards, less effort is required to overcome the incline. If you were to increase your weight, you would have to invest a lot more strength per kilo. That would explain that with a lower weight you would get 3-4 W/K. If someone is very heavy, you will notice that they usually produce less watts on the straight route and then double the W/kg uphill. Especially if they can’t catch up with me with my 70/72 kg.
    I’m here to train, not to cheat.
    I haven’t taken part at the moment. I have to train basic again first and I’m already doing it intensively.
    I think in 3 months I’ll be cycling with you and then it’ll make sense again.

    Or does anyone have another idea on the topic of manipulating…

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    • Steven Ludford says:
      23 January 2024 at 2:58 pm

      I would add that Heavy riders do not double W/kg uphill, all riders have a W/kg they are capable of achieving regardless of flat or climb. For example, if you ride 3.0w/kg at 70kg and I ride 3.0w/kg at 95kg we will be at similar speed on the road. At specific % gradient there is slight advantage in your favour but not massive. So to catch you, I would only need to ride at more W/kg than you. I hope this explains the life of a heavy rider 😊

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  16. Minyana says:
    22 January 2024 at 7:40 pm

    Engañar a los demás en ciclismo virtual es fácil. pero hay que ser muy tonto para engañarse a uno mismo . 🙂

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